End Of Times - czyli na bieżąco co tam w świecie Warhammera

[Fluffy]

Cóż, najwyżej pozostanie grać w 8 ed, a Mantice/Reapery osiągną znaczny wzrost sprzedaży
Po prostu nie wyobrażam sobie, żeby, jezeli potwierdzą się plotki, ludzie wywalali cale armie do kosza/pudla na strych. Dlatego spodziewam się że jezeli GW wymyśliło sobie takie coś, to stary Warhammer będzie istniał równocześnie.
Pamiętam jaki szum był kiedy dzielono armię Undead na VC i TK, czy tez kiedy z Empire wypadli nie-ludzie..
Fajnie że zmiany, rewolucja tez ok (jeżeli z sensem), nowi specherosi też fajnie, ale jeżeli trzeba będzie dokupywać duże paskudne borostwory, zmieniac podstawki na okragłe, czy okaże się że większość ludków nie gra, to nie widze tego sukcesu wydawniczego GW
Może to nadinterpretacja, ale podejrzewam, że wywrocenie battla do gory nogami może być związane również z metą ETC - drafty tworzone przez graczy przekładają się bezpośrednio na wyniki sprzedaży, a GW zamiast dostosowania się wybrało opcję lodołamacza.

Zobaczymy. Alternatyw jest mnóstwo.

[Azgaroth]

Preordery na ten weekend:

Khorne Skarr Bloodwrath - 90 zł
Blood Tide of Khorne - 400 zł
Kharn: Eater of Worlds (224 pages, Hardback) - 95 zł
Chosen of Khorne (Audio drama) - 50 zł

Gilles and Abhorash are fighting a last stand together at a monastery in the Grey Mountains. They decided that this is where Bretonnia's story ends. Abhorash is repaying his debt, too.

Duke Jerrod, his army, the Red Duke and two Von Carsteins ride off to join them.

Vlad sends a message for Abhorash: "Tell him he was right in the end."

Strongly implies. More spoilers:

1) Vlad saves Isabella. He puts the ring on her and double suicides through a stake, freeing her from the demon. This is after he saves Lileath, Alarielle, chats to Sigmar, inspires Bretonnians, punks out Mannfred and kills countless Khorne Daemons including a Bloodthirster. He also noted that he liked Konrad more than Mannfred (to Mannfred), but later says he wouldn't want harm to come to his bratty prince.

2) Karl Franz died in Altdorf. Sigmar was split between him and a little in Valten. Sigmar thought Archaon would destroy Chaos, not join it. Sigmar is very intelligent and definitely not He-Man. He's watched the world.

3) Isabella, Neferata and Khalida own the entire epilogue. Arkhan and Neferata hatch a plan to save the undead, humans and halflings in Sylvania. Neferata doesn't quite make it back in time. She and Arkhan kind of kiss.

4) Malekith doesn't quite die. He's last seen being covered by rocks - it's not clear at all. There is no betrayal from Tyrion and Alarielle from what we see.

5) Be'Lakor dead. Turned into a gemstone.

6) Arkhan has hope of order amidst the warp. He foresees it and tries to save Neferata.

7) Nagash tells him to die well. A moment of niceness.

Snorri Whitebeard saves Malekith midway through. Then berates his awareness in a friendly manner. He disappears soon after.

9) Abhorash!!! Even just a name drop.

This is full of Easter eggs. I greatly enjoyed it. I was heartbroken when Vlad died. More so when Nef failed in the epilogue.

[Gokish]

taka głębsza rozkmina zatem


Gdzie jest niszczyciel smoków demonów i wszystkiego co wejdzie mu w drogę Gotrex Gurnisson (wypadlem z czytania gotrekowych powieści a może się gdzieś tu przewinął )

[heimdall89]

Póki co o Gotreku nic nie ma. Tzn ma własną serię end tim, której ostatni tom ma ukazać się za parę dni. Swoją drogą ma być to ostatostatni tom związany z jego postacią .

[Azgaroth]

Póki co o Gotreku nic nie ma. Tzn ma własną serię end tim, której ostatni tom ma ukazać się za parę dni. Swoją drogą ma być to ostatostatni tom związany z jego postacią .

Są zdawkowe informacje o Gotreku póki co

As the White Dwarf spoke, Hammerson thought he could see them. The ghosts of his ancestors moved through the ranks of the living to fill the gaps in the shield-wall. And not just the dead of storied centuries, but those more recent. He saw Thorek Ironbrow, and Ungrim Ironfist. He saw Thorgrim, the Grudgebearer himself, and others besides. Faces and names from history and recent days. It was as if the entirety of their people had come to witness this final act of defiance.

He saw Grombrindal standing upon a broad shield, supported on the shoulders of a one-eyed Slayer and a tankard-carrying ranger. The good eye of the Slayer met his own, and Hammerson felt his growing sadness washed away in a moment of anger. Anger that it had come to this, that all the great works of his people were now as nothing. The fate of the world would be decided elsewhere, by the hands of humans and elves.

For the dwarfs, there was only this. The whole of their history, brought to this point. Hammerson met Grombrindal’s gaze, and the White Dwarf nodded slowly. If it must be done, let it be done well, Hammerson thought. Whether they were dead or alive, that was the only way dwarfs knew how to do anything.

[Drake]

To jest Whineseer, równie dobrze facet mógł to zmyślić

[Azgaroth]

To jest Whineseer, równie dobrze facet mógł to zmyślić

Dlatego to są plotki i nie należy ich traktować w 100% poważnie, dopóki nie zobaczymy chcociażby skanów




Fragment a propos Mannfreda, który być może stał się cegiełką do upadku świata i wygranej chaosu...

Quite literally the good guys are going to win then Mannfred kills Gelt. He says; "If I can't rule a realm of order then let me rule the anarchy that follows." Teclis tries to control Metal, but alongside beasts and fire he can't handle it and explodes. Magic leaves all the incarnates, Nagash last (who turns to dust bitterly) and Mannfred gets burned trying to control the vortex.

Tyrion kills him with Sunfang and his ashes join Nagash's in the rift. Malekith saves Alarielle from falling masonry, gets lost under the rock himself, Sigmar rushes to save him when suddenly Archaon returns through the rift and the pair fight over Ghal Maraz.

It then fades to warp soup and the Nef/Khalida/Arkhan/Isabella epilogue. We don't see them die but they acknowledge it is about to happen.

[Drake]

Ja to się zastanawiam co z Settrą...

[Azgaroth]

Vlad does indeed star in this novel. He saves important people, inspires the Bretonnians to find Gilles and Abhorash (leaving a message for Abhorsash "Tell him he was right in the end."), kills countless daemons (and if I correctly recall a Bloodthirster) and saves Isabella by putting the ring on her finger and performing a double-suicide. This removes the demon within her.

Abhorash is off screen, repaying his debt to Gilles and Bretonnia. Vlad comments to himself (about Abhorash); "What warriors you could have made these men (Bretonnians), had you not sworn that damn Oath."

Settra saves Nagash. He does so after it looks like he's joined Chaos. Settra informs Nagash that he will accept his fealty after he destroys the Chaos Gods. These pathetic Chaos Gods think to rule Settra? SETTRA RULES. Nagash later dies after Teclis blows up and the winds are sucked into the Warp Rift. He is the last Incarnate to lose his wind; showing great resistance but eventually crumbling to dust.

Arkhan has been affected by Aliathra's touch. He can see the future to some extent. He sees the man amidst the void saving everything. He says to Neferata that they will be barely a memory amidst lost and legendary history. He kisses her on the hand, and asks her to go to Sylvania and "lead our people to safety", imparting a method of escape. Neferata kindly takes grieving Isabella (very motherly) and flies back to Sylvania to meet her "greatest rival and best friend", Khalida. Arkhan is last seen talking to Nef earlier on. Nagash did at one point say to Arkhan; "DIE WELL, MY SERVANT" when he saw him last. It was an oddly nice moment, despite the word choice.

They have undead, human (from Sylvania and Averland) and halfling refugees all hiding in Castle Sternieste. Nef arrives just in time for the warp to strike. Khalida and Nef share friendly words, accepting that they were too late to enact Arkhan's plan and that their rivalry is meaningless now. We do not see them die; instead we just see Skeletons bracing shields against the incoming energy. It is written as though this is a moment of futility.

Mannfred goes batshit and decides he'll kill Nagash with the warp rift and 'rule the world of anarchy if he cannot rule the world of order'. Vlad earlier said he preferred Konrad; at least he had some backbone. Vlad later said he didn't want Mannfred to die as he loved him like a son, flawed or not. Either way - damn it, Mannfred."

[Klafuti]

These pathetic Chaos Gods think to rule Settra? SETTRA RULES.

Jak to brzmi

[Rakso_The_Slayer]

The good eye of the Slayer met his own, and Hammerson felt his growing sadness washed away in a moment of anger. Anger that it had come to this, that all the great works of his people were now as nothing. The fate of the world would be decided elsewhere, by the hands of humans and elves.

For the dwarfs, there was only this. The whole of their history, brought to this point. Hammerson met Grombrindal’s gaze, and the White Dwarf nodded slowly. If it must be done, let it be done well, Hammerson thought. Whether they were dead or alive, that was the only way dwarfs knew how to do anything.

Najbardziej zasmucająca rzecz jaką przeczytałem w tym wątku

[MusztardowyTygrys]

Śmieszy mnie trochę to jak niektórzy przejmują się zmianami w fabule że od razu trzeba wyrzucać, niszczyć, palić figurki bo skoro ktoś tak powiedział to już nie są potrzebne i się obrażam- a to przecież tylko kampania... jakich będzie jeszcze wiele w nadchodzących realiach wfb.
Tak jakby nagle ta gra miała zniknąć, zostać zdelegalizowana i zapomniana jak np inquisitor, warmaster czy Man O`war.
Sporo już naczytałem się takich komentarzy, jak zmieniały się edycje, wychodziły nowe modele, czy podręczniki- ktoś musiał marudzić że oho- to już koniec, rzucam to w cholere! idę grać w coś innego... a miesiąc później widzę nowe rozpiski czy wpisy o porady.
Jak dla mnie sprowadzenie gry do mniejszych punktów to strzał w dziesiątkę, bo nie wszyscy gracze to radykalni powergamerzy z armią na 2-3k

Co do całej kampanii- może to dziwne spostrzeżenie ale to przypomina trochę potop z biblii, ocaleje garstka, która będzie się powoli podnosić z zagłady.

Bez względu na to co się stanie, bawić się w warhammera nie przestanę, zawsze ciekawiło mnie co będzie gdy chaos wygra.

[Murmandamus]

o nie nie duże armie to nie jest domena powergamerów wypraszam sobie.

[Drake]

"‘And thus do the unworthy fall,’ a voice as dry as the desert sands rasped. Arkhan looked up from the crown, and turned. A familiar form, ancient bones shrouded in tattered ceremonial wrappings and broken armour, stepped towards them, khopesh in hand. ‘Will you join him in oblivion, Usurper?’
‘SETTRA,’ Nagash said.
‘I have walked across half of this world to find you, Usurper. You broke me and scattered me, but Settra is deathless. Settra is eternal. And so Settra returned, and now he stands here, sword in hand, and he denies you, Usurper. He stands between you and triumph,’ Settra croaked. He lifted his khopesh and pointed it at Nagash, who regarded him as if he were less a threat than a curiosity.
‘I DID NOT BRING YOU BACK, LITTLE KING,’ Nagash said.
‘No,’ Settra said. ‘You did not.’ The khopesh dipped. ‘They did. The jackals of the smokeless fire, the howlers in the Wastes. They dared to offer Settra aid.’
‘HOW FOOLISH OF THEM,’ Nagash said.
‘They offered Settra victories, and empires and life unending.’
‘AND WHAT DID THEY ASK IN RETURN, LITTLE KING?’
‘That I serve them and kill you.’ Settra looked down at the remains of Throgg, and then, quicker than Arkhan could follow, lunged. Nagash lurched aside, but Arkhan realised that Settra had not been aiming for the Incarnate of Death. Instead, the ancient king’s blade chopped into the scaly torso of the dragon ogre which had been preparing to smash its enormous axe down on the back of Nagash’s skull. The beast roared in agony, but Settra did not give it time to recover. He tore his blade free and slashed upwards, separating the monster’s head from its shoulders. It toppled over like a felled tree, and Settra turned.
He extended his khopesh towards Nagash. ‘Settra does not serve. Settra rules.’ He strode past them, towards the horde of monsters. ‘Go, prince of Khemri. Settra will forgive your trespasses if you but make the jackals howl. Teach them that the kings of the Great Land cannot be bought and sold like slaves. And then, when it is done, Settra shall take your head, and take back his people.’
As the last words left his mouth, Settra the Imperishable broke into a run, slashing out at a snarling giant even as the great beast reached down for him. His khopesh removed its fingers, and then its lower jaw in rapid succession. A moment later, he was lost to Arkhan’s sight as he plunged into the heart of the battle."

[Azgaroth]

Formacje w End Times - Archaon

The Beast Waaagh!
Grimgor Incarnate, 2 units of black orcs, orc boyz and Ogres, plus 1 unit of orc boar boyz, , ironguts, and leadbelchers, and 1 giant.
Orcboyz and Orc boar boyz must be upgraded to big uns
No units in the formation take animosity tests
All units benefit from waaagh and can re-roll one or more dice for charge range.


The Host of Shadow
Malekith, 1 unit of black guard, phoenix guard, wildwood riders, darkshards, black arc crusaders, high elf spearmen and a War Hydra.
no units have to take dangerous terrain tests and shooting attacks against Malekith or units within 12 are at -1 to hit
Increases Steed of Shadow to 36, and can do so multiple times.


Host of Life
Alarielle, Durthu, nasetra and arahan-must be mounted, 1 treeman ancient, 1 handmaiden, 1 sisters of avelorn, 2 glade guard, 1 deepwood scouts, 1 wild riders, and 3 units of dryads.
all units have regeneration, Durthu and treeman ancient get hatred against any enemy unit within 12 of Arielle.


Host of Light
Tyrion, Imrik, 2 high elf princes, 2 knight orders, 1 reiksguard, 1 demigryph knights, 2 lothern skycutters, 2 silver helms, and 1 unit of cold knights.
Gain +d3 result in close combat if they charged this round.
Hatred towards daemons and undead


The Blood Hunt
Wrath of Khorne, bloodthirster Insenate Rage, and 1 unfettered fury, 3 units of bloodletters, 1 of bloodcrushers, and 2 of flesh hounds.
d3 units get vanguard deployment rules
all have hatred and can re-roll failed charges.


Army of Blight
Isabella, great unclean one, 3 units of plague bearers, 1 of plague drones, and 2 units of nurglings.
enemy units have -1 leadership, their generals inspiring presence is reduced by 6", and shooting attacks a -1 to hit.


The Host of Death
Nagash, Arkhan-mortarch sacrament, Krell mortrach despair, 1 unit of Morghasts, Morghasts Archai, Grave Guard, and Black Knights.
Arkhan get a +3 bonus to casting results
Grave Guard and Black Knight have WS5 and suffer two less wounds from unstable.


Host of Fire
Caradryan, 2 units of Asuryan, 1 unit of white lions, Har Ganeth executioners, and eternal guard.
Asuryan must take flamespyre
All models get devastating charge and flaming attacks
Wake of Fire at +1 strength


Throng of Metal
Balthasar Gelt, runelord, 2 units of thunderers, 1 unit of irongdrakes and ironbreakers, 2 cannons, 1 organ gun. 2 gyrocopters
+1 armour piercing and saves
on a 5+ warmachines and units armed with ranged weapons can shoot again.

[GrimgorIronhide]

Śmieszy mnie trochę to jak niektórzy przejmują się zmianami w fabule że od razu trzeba wyrzucać, niszczyć, palić figurki bo skoro ktoś tak powiedział to już nie są potrzebne i się obrażam- a to przecież tylko kampania... jakich będzie jeszcze wiele w nadchodzących realiach wfb.
Tak jakby nagle ta gra miała zniknąć, zostać zdelegalizowana i zapomniana jak np inquisitor, warmaster czy Man O`war.
Sporo już naczytałem się takich komentarzy, jak zmieniały się edycje, wychodziły nowe modele, czy podręczniki- ktoś musiał marudzić że oho- to już koniec, rzucam to w cholere! idę grać w coś innego... a miesiąc później widzę nowe rozpiski czy wpisy o porady.
Co do całej kampanii- może to dziwne spostrzeżenie ale to przypomina trochę potop z biblii, ocaleje garstka, która będzie się powoli podnosić z zagłady.
Bez względu na to co się stanie, bawić się w warhammera nie przestanę, zawsze ciekawiło mnie co będzie gdy chaos wygra.

Wychodzi, że czytałeś bez zrozumienia - tu nie chodzi o jakąś kampanię jak Tamurkhan czy SoM, ani sprowadzenie gry do małych punktów to jest definitywne i ostateczne rozwalenie settingu i świata przez samego wydawcę, porzucenie projektu, zakończenie WFB, finito! Nowy zarząd zamierza zrobić zupełnie nową grę, jak bardzo od podstaw i jak bardzo różną (i czy na okrągłych) to się jeszcze zobaczy, ale WFB nie jest zmieniane tylko mówimy mu pa pa!


@Azgaroth
skoro te ploty tak bardzo się powtarzają to wygląda na to, że większość z tego się ziści, zwłaszcza że logicznie to brzmi. Coraz bardziej mi się samo wykonanie (nie pomysł wogóle niszczenia gry) podoba. Wszystkie wątki z całego bogatego uniwersum (od książek po stary fluff) wykorzystane i zakończone, epickie bitwy, wielkie kataklizmy, epickość Last Standu herosów i ich ras pośród zniszczenia. Przemiodnie, tym bardziej kupuję Archaona.

No i ostatecznie potwierdza się, że Abhorash był Cesarzem Kitaju - wrócił do Starego Świata zaraz po upadku młotkowych Chin by spłacić dług

[Galharen]

host of light mi sie podoba, takim list buildem można by grać:))

[Azgaroth]

host of light mi sie podoba, takim list buildem można by grać:))

Moim typem jest host of fire Executioners, White Lions i Eternal Guard razem z devastating charge...zło

[Slayer Zabójców]

host of light mi sie podoba, takim list buildem można by grać:))

Moim typem jest host of fire Executioners, White Lions i Eternal Guard razem z devastating charge...zło

Throng of Metal zaprasza

[Morsereg]

po pierwszej fazie strzelania nie bedzie kogo zapraszac