nie wiem na ile to ma moc przebicia w Polsce, ale mysle, ze warto to rozpowszechnic.gosc z dire olfa na forum warhammera pisze:Based on our recent round of discussions on the Direwolf list surrounding how to properly resolve ASF vs. ASF combats, the FAQ Council decided that the best course of action was to ask Alessio what the proper way to handle it was.
Surprisingly enough, Alessio answered!
The contents of my e-mail and Alessio's response are below:
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Alessio,
With all of the recent army books having Always Strikes First (ASF) capabilities, a couple of very significant questions have cropped up in regards to how to resolve combats where the ASF rule is possessed by both sides.
If you would please provide me with guidance on how to handle these situations, I would greatly appreciate it.
The governing rules clause under Always Strikes First in this discussion is:
"Models with this special rule always strike first in close combat, even before models that have charged that turn and regardless of Initiative. If fighting another model with the same special rule, use the models' Initiative to determine who strikes first (roll a dice in case of same Initiative)." - (Warhammer Rulebook page 94)
In cases where Initiative is used (e.g. the second round of a combat between a Dwarf Lord with the Master Rune of Swiftness and High Elf Phoenix Guard), the answer on how to resolve who strikes first between ASF models is clear and players are in agreement on how to resolve it.
What is not clear / not agreed upon is how to resolve ASF vs. ASF cases where Initiative is not usually in play such as in the case of charging and models equipped with "Strikes Last" weapons in the second and subsequent rounds of combat.
Questions:
#1) In a situation where an ASF model charges another ASF model, does the charger automatically strike first? Or is charging ignored in ASF vs. ASF combats entirely and the determination of who strikes first based on Initiative?
#2) In a situation where an ASF model with a "Strikes Last" weapon is charged by another ASF model with a hand weapon (or engaged in the second or subsequent round of combat with another ASF model with a hand weapon), does the model with the "Strikes Last" weapon automatically strike last? Or is the "Strikes Last" penalty ignored in ASF vs. ASF engagements and the determination of who strikes first based on Initiative?
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There’s an answer on the (upcoming) High Elf FAQs saying that effectively the ASF rules cancel each other out, so that everything reverts to normal.
Alessio
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So there you have it folks!
Best Regards,
BF
Direwolf FAQ KeeperBased on our recent round of discussions on the Direwolf list surrounding how to properly resolve ASF vs. ASF combats, the FAQ Council decided that the best course of action was to ask Alessio what the proper way to handle it was.
Surprisingly enough, Alessio answered!
The contents of my e-mail and Alessio's response are below:
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Alessio,
With all of the recent army books having Always Strikes First (ASF) capabilities, a couple of very significant questions have cropped up in regards to how to resolve combats where the ASF rule is possessed by both sides.
If you would please provide me with guidance on how to handle these situations, I would greatly appreciate it.
The governing rules clause under Always Strikes First in this discussion is:
"Models with this special rule always strike first in close combat, even before models that have charged that turn and regardless of Initiative. If fighting another model with the same special rule, use the models' Initiative to determine who strikes first (roll a dice in case of same Initiative)." - (Warhammer Rulebook page 94)
In cases where Initiative is used (e.g. the second round of a combat between a Dwarf Lord with the Master Rune of Swiftness and High Elf Phoenix Guard), the answer on how to resolve who strikes first between ASF models is clear and players are in agreement on how to resolve it.
What is not clear / not agreed upon is how to resolve ASF vs. ASF cases where Initiative is not usually in play such as in the case of charging and models equipped with "Strikes Last" weapons in the second and subsequent rounds of combat.
Questions:
#1) In a situation where an ASF model charges another ASF model, does the charger automatically strike first? Or is charging ignored in ASF vs. ASF combats entirely and the determination of who strikes first based on Initiative?
#2) In a situation where an ASF model with a "Strikes Last" weapon is charged by another ASF model with a hand weapon (or engaged in the second or subsequent round of combat with another ASF model with a hand weapon), does the model with the "Strikes Last" weapon automatically strike last? Or is the "Strikes Last" penalty ignored in ASF vs. ASF engagements and the determination of who strikes first based on Initiative?
+++++
There’s an answer on the (upcoming) High Elf FAQs saying that effectively the ASF rules cancel each other out, so that everything reverts to normal.
Alessio
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So there you have it folks!
Best Regards,
BF
Direwolf FAQ Keeper
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