Greetings to Polish Warhammer players
In Tallinn, we are making a Warhammer Fantasy Battles tournament called Tactica Improvisada II on August 1-2, and we would like to invite Polish players as well. Tallinn might be a bit far away, but may be some of you would still be interested in visiting.
Here is the information from the organizer of the event (Guardian on Estonian Warhammer forum):
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The tournament will be hosted on the 1 and 2 of august in Tallinn at the Estonian Academy of Arts.
The place is in the center of Tallinn, 5 minutes away from the Old Town, and 10 minutes away from the Bus Station. The coordinates: 59°26'6.00"N, 24°45'29.00"E. There are many places around, where it is possible to have lunch during the lunch break.
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The tournament will be 1999 points. Entry fee is 125EEK (35 PLN), it will be taken at the beginning of the tournament.
If the tournament will have <=14 players then the entire registration fee will go to the top 3 players (prizes). If the >14 players register then some of the fee might be spent on new tables and scenery.
Registration begins now! To register you must send a VALID army list to vihm35e@hotmail.com including your name. Army builder 3 files are ok. If you do not own army builder 3 then send the army list in a fail format that the organizer can open. Doc(x), xls(x) etc etc etc.
Currently we have no limit of players who can register and I am 99% sure that such a limit will not be needed. The registration will end on the 26.07.09. at 23:59! The organizer will start posting the names (not the armies) as people send him the lists on Estonian forum: http://www.warhammer.pri.ee/forum/viewt ... =32&t=1227. So you know if he has received your list or not. He will post the armies after the registration is closed. Also if an uneven number of people register then the last person to send their list will not be registered. He or she will be a backup (if they agree).
If someone cancels their registration during the last week then Guardian will try to find a replacement player. If none can be found then the player who registered last can’t play also as we need an even number of players. Guardian will let the person know at least 2 days upfront. So please don’t leave your registration to the last moment!
If for some reason someone cancels their registration on the eve of the tournament and no replacement can be found then. Then the Estonian player who shows up late for round one will not get to play. If all Estonian players are on time then the organizer will ask for volunteers if none exist then Estonian players will draw straws. Hopefully it will not come to that.
You can get up to 100p for battles, 20 points for painting and 20 points for knowledge test. In all you can get 140 points. If two players have the same amount of points then the organizer will firstly look at the score of the games where the players played each other. If that is a draw then who has more 20, 19, 18, etc etc marks. If all battle scores are the same then the organizer will look at the painting scores.
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Schedule:
01.08.09
9.00 Arrival
9.30-12.30 Game I
12.30-13.30 Lunch NB! Leave your army on the table in an order!!!
13.30-16.30 Game II
16.30-17.00 Small break
17.00-20.00 Game III
02.08.09
9.30 Arrival
9.45-10.00 Test
10.15-13.15 Game IV
13.15-14.15 Lunch
14.15-17.15 Game V
17.15-17.30 Prizes and packing up
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Army composition:
1999 points
No special characters
Only the official army books, no DOW
Scoring unit = units of non-flying non-skirmishing infantry with US5 or more (no raised/summoned units count as scoring). Knights of the Realm with 5+ models also count as scoring. Dryads and Beast Herds also score. When calculating US or models for the purposes of scoring, ignore any characters in the unit
Closed lists
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Models
All models have to be assembled, and placed on proper sized bases
War machines don’t need to have a base; all measurements are made from the same point of the war machine, determined in the start of the game.
Breath weapons will be measured not from the mouth(s) of the model, but from the front of the base.
Painting is not required, but will be rewarded
Proxies are not allowed
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Terrain
Terrain will be set by the organizer prior to the battle. One can expect 4-6 pieces of terrain on the table, out of which 1-2 can be special objects/buildings, and the rest woods, hills, swamps, cliffs etc. – distributed in different ways around the tables (i.e., some more, open, others with lots of cover; some with bottlenecks, others without)
Levels and Heights
- Hills have levels, which are represented by the levels that the actual model of the hill has.
- Forests count as level 3.
- Houses have as many levels as there are floors (models on 1st floor are on level 0, models on 2nd floor are on level 1 etc.)
- Large targets are all level 2
- Ordinary models are level 0
The Height of the model is equal to the sum of its level and the level of terrain it is on.
The Height of terrain is equal to its level, but the height of a house is never less than 2
To see if line of sight exists between two points, take the bigger one of their heights, and compare it to the maximum height encountered on the straight line between these two points. If the maximum height on this line is more or equal to the maximum height of the ends of the line, then line of sight is blocked; otherwise, it isn’t.
Example 1: a unit on the ground (height 0+0=0) is facing towards a large target on the ground (height 0+2=2) behind a level 1 hill (height 1); they can see the large target, because the hill’s height is lower than the height of the large target.
Example 2: the same situation, but the large target is hiding behind a one-floor building; the unit can’t see the large target, because the height of the house is 2, which is equal to the height of the large target. If the large target were on a hill, though, then the unit could see it. If the unit were on a level 2 hill, they still wouldn’t be able to see the large target behind the building (if the target itself is on the ground); if they were on a level 3 hill, though, they would.
Buildings
Buildings play as per the rules in the BRB. For avoidance of doubt, they are a type of terrain that restricts flying in/out (like woods)
Cover
For the avoidance of doubt, hills are not regarded as hard type of terrain (so, a model peeking from behind a hill, as described on Page 27 of the BRB, only gains soft cover). Cliffs, on the other hand (which are impassable), are hard type of terrain, and so are buildings, so they provide cover to models peeking from behind them
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Scenarios
Five games played during tournament, hence five scenarios (all players play scenario 1 in first game, scenario 2 in second game etc.)
1. Attrition
Two armies have met for just one purpose: weaken the enemy as much as possible, destroying his most powerful combat threats even at the cost of their own lives
Each player gains Kill Points for units, for which he gets full VP (but no KP for units, for which he gets half VP).
Core = 1KP
Special = 2KP
2 for 1 Special = 1KP for each of the two
Rare = 2KP
2 for 1 Rare = 1KP for each of the two (HE RBT and eagles also award KP as if they were 2 for 1)
Character = 2KP (including characters that don’t require a character slot, like assassins)
Large target = +1KP to the usual ones (monstrous mounts per se don’t award KP, but if they are large targets, then they do award this 1KP)
Any unit that was a Scoring Unit in the beginning of the game and that doesn't award KP to the opponent, also reduces the KP the opponent has gained from other units by 1 (to a minimum of 0)
Every KP earned is worth 50 victory points in the end of the game
2. Destroy/Protect Supplies
Very valuable supplies are being guarded by one of the armies; the other army seeks to destroy them
The defender gets 3 resource markers
Assign resource markers to three scoring units (if you don't have 3 scoring units, then surrender the ones left over to the opponent).
Marker is surrendered to the opponent if the unit flees or seizes to be scoring.
Every marker is worth 200 VP in the end of the battle
3. Battlefield control
This area is logistically very important, so it is vital to secure it, for the good of the military campaign
Only scoring units can claim and contest table quarters.
Each table quarter is worth 250 VP
4. Guerrilla warfare
Each army tried to sneak on the other one, but was surprised to find out that this was also the plan of their enemies; both are caught off-guard
After deployment, D3 of your units of your opponent’s choice must be pushed back to the edge of the table and may not march 1st turn (and vice versa; it is not possible to choose scoring units or scouts for pushing back). Tunnelers, miners, gorgers, ambushers etc. are at -1 on their first attempt to enter play.
5. Objective control
One of the land marks on this battlefield is very important – either as a monument to give troops inspiration, as a place of arcane power, or as a pivotal defensive point for the military campaign
Each table has a piece of terrain acting as an objective (a building, a special object, a hill in the middle dominating the landscape – it is decided by the organizer before the game, which piece of terrain is going to be the objective for this scenario).
The objective can be controlled in the same way as a special object is controlled as per the rules for special objects in BRB, but with one exception: only scoring units are eligible to control the objective. The side that controls the objective in the end of the game, receives +400 VP
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Scoring system
For each game played, the player will get some points. The points will depend on the outcome of the game and on the relative strength of the players. The procedure is as follows:
First the raw score for the battle is calculated, based on the outcome of the game and disregarding any differences in relative strength of the players. Then, the actual score is calculated by adjusting the raw score.
The raw score for a game for a certain player is determined using the following formulae:
Raw Score = 10 + Difference/200
Difference = Player’s VP - Opponent’s VP
Raw score belongs to the interval [0; 20] – if the formula result is below 0, then the Raw Score is 0; if it is more than 20, then the Raw Score is 20.
The actual score for a certain game for a certain player is determined using the following formulae:
Modified Score = Raw Score * Opponent’s Points Total / Player’s Points Total
Points Total = sum of the player’s Actual Scores for all games in the tournament
Actual Score = Modified Score * 20 / (Modified Score + Opponent’s Modified Score)
The last line ensures that the sum of Actual Scores gained by the two players for the game is 20.
The modified score makes sure that the player with a smaller points total will get proportionally more points for a certain result (getting a draw with a player that has performed better than you in a tournament will get relatively more points than getting a draw against a player whose overall performance was worse than your own)
A note for the mathematically inclined: you have probably noticed that the Actual Score is calculated based on the Points Total, while the Points Total is calculated based on Actual Scores for all games. This means that the Actual Scores and the Points Total are going to be calculated using an iterative process. In practice, this will be done in excel by using solver. Also, the Actual Scores for earlier games will change after each new game played, because the Points Total changes after each new game played.
In addition to points for games, there will be points for painting in the tournament. Although the tournament is positioned as a tournament which is all about generalship, the local specifics is such that the players need to be encouraged to paint their armies. The amount of points for painting is determined by the organizer using the following guidelines:
The army is unpainted: 0 points
The army is undercoated: 5 points
The army is painted and based: 10 points
The army is painted in one theme: +5 points (for wholly painted armies only)
The army has noticeable conversions and/or outstanding centrepiece miniatures and/or is painted very qualitatively: +5 points (for wholly painted armies only)
NB! VERY IMPORTANT! The painting will be judged on the lunch break of DAY1!!! and only then! So, after your Game I, set up your army on the table where you played last. So the judges will know whose army it is. Also by set up I mean. Set it up so that the judges can easily count your models and look at them. Leaving everything in a mess will result in 0p for painting. As the judges will have no way of counting your models to see that you have painted them all. If you want points for the conversions and you are afraid that the judges might miss them. Then do please leave a printed note on the table with our army to point out your conversions.
*Grudge games are ok in round 1. Just inform the organizer about them!
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Also, some information from me (I’m not the organizer) about staying in Tallinn: I am able to host 1 person at my home, and I know one girl (also a WH player) who will most likely be able to host 1-2 persons at her place – but can’t guarantee that. Still, we will try to find places to stay for everyone that comes, at our (and other estonian WH players) homes.
If someone wants to stay in a hotel, then it is most likely possible to find hotels for 15-20 EUR per person per night (I haven’t made an extensive search, just glanced through hotels quickly). If someone intends to come and needs help with finding a hotel, contact me – I will gladly help.
So, we would be glad to see any of you here in Tallinn!
Also, if you have some questions, then you can ask them either at the Estonian forum (http://www.warhammer.pri.ee/forum/viewt ... =32&t=1227), or right here.
Tactica Improvisada II - WHFB Tournament in Tallinn
Great !
My friends from Bialystok are seriously interested in visiting Talinn, and thus I have few questions:
- "closed roosters" - it means the same as secret roosters?,
- if there would be 3-4 of us, can you host us at your houses or at the tournament place? We don't need much, just a bit of floor
My friends from Bialystok are seriously interested in visiting Talinn, and thus I have few questions:
- "closed roosters" - it means the same as secret roosters?,
- if there would be 3-4 of us, can you host us at your houses or at the tournament place? We don't need much, just a bit of floor
Byłoby afrontem nie napić się z Frontem!
Great to hear that there is some interest!
Answers:
1. Yes, that means secret rosters. Only the organizer knows them prior to the tournament.
2. Yes, we will do that. At the moment I can't tell yet whether we will be able to provide a bed place for each of you, but if, as you say, even floor space is enough, then that's a minimum that we can guarantee. As soon as I know exactly if beds are available, I will let you know. Also, when you know the exact amount of people (three or four), please let me know.
Answers:
1. Yes, that means secret rosters. Only the organizer knows them prior to the tournament.
2. Yes, we will do that. At the moment I can't tell yet whether we will be able to provide a bed place for each of you, but if, as you say, even floor space is enough, then that's a minimum that we can guarantee. As soon as I know exactly if beds are available, I will let you know. Also, when you know the exact amount of people (three or four), please let me know.
According to the scores they have - the highest with the next highest, etc., but so as to avoid repetition (i.e., no playing against the same player twice).
Also, the organizer will make his best to avoid matching foreigners from the same place (e.g. rigas against riga etc.) against each other, if it doesn't contradict the first two principles.
Also, the organizer will make his best to avoid matching foreigners from the same place (e.g. rigas against riga etc.) against each other, if it doesn't contradict the first two principles.
Raisen models - can I raise as much, as I have real models of ghouls/skeletons/zombies, or can I proxy them?
Are fillers proxy?
How about models made by other then GW manufacturers? Reaper for ex. - is it ok to use them?
Are fillers proxy?
How about models made by other then GW manufacturers? Reaper for ex. - is it ok to use them?
Here are the answers from the organizer:
Raisen models - can I raise as much, as I have real models of ghouls/skeletons/zombies, or can I proxy them?
The first rank should be real models as then it is clear for your oponents what unit it is (in raised units). Unit fillers are ok.
Are fillers proxy?
Nope if they clearly look like fillers and and are used in large units. a giant rock that takes fills 6 model places and has no models on it is a proxy but if the filler looks like it belongs in to the unit and dosent look out of place then it is quite ok.
How about models made by other then GW manufacturers? Reaper for ex. - is it ok to use them?
If they look like they belong in the army then they are more then ok. Example a T-34 (scale 1/72) as a steamtank is not ok. As it looks nothing like a fantasy steam tank unles it has been converted to not look like a T-34. But a catapult of another company that looks like it could belong to a wolrd of fantasy is ok.
Raisen models - can I raise as much, as I have real models of ghouls/skeletons/zombies, or can I proxy them?
The first rank should be real models as then it is clear for your oponents what unit it is (in raised units). Unit fillers are ok.
Are fillers proxy?
Nope if they clearly look like fillers and and are used in large units. a giant rock that takes fills 6 model places and has no models on it is a proxy but if the filler looks like it belongs in to the unit and dosent look out of place then it is quite ok.
How about models made by other then GW manufacturers? Reaper for ex. - is it ok to use them?
If they look like they belong in the army then they are more then ok. Example a T-34 (scale 1/72) as a steamtank is not ok. As it looks nothing like a fantasy steam tank unles it has been converted to not look like a T-34. But a catapult of another company that looks like it could belong to a wolrd of fantasy is ok.
the organizer posted some more information on the Estonian forum:
Important things to remember!
The tournament room will be alcohol and smoke free!
Things what players need to bring to the tournament!
1) Models that you need for your army.
2) Dice
3) Tape measurer, measuring stick or any other thing that can be used to measure the distances in inches.
4) Glue (just in case something breaks)
5) Something non-alcoholic to drink. (it is summer and cool drink is nice)
6) Money for the registration (125-) and some money extra if you want to go to eat, etc etc.
Test
A great general needs courage and cunningness to win his battles. While courage comes from inner strength then cunningness is a combination of knowledge. Know your enemy, know your terrain, know your army. This years knowledge test will test your knowledge about your enemy! To win the battle with minimum losses you need a cunning plan and to come up with such a plan you need to know what your opponent has on the table and what they can do. The test will focus on different armies. About the units, magic items, special powers they have. So study up on your opponents armies and your own!
Guardian
Important things to remember!
The tournament room will be alcohol and smoke free!
Things what players need to bring to the tournament!
1) Models that you need for your army.
2) Dice
3) Tape measurer, measuring stick or any other thing that can be used to measure the distances in inches.
4) Glue (just in case something breaks)
5) Something non-alcoholic to drink. (it is summer and cool drink is nice)
6) Money for the registration (125-) and some money extra if you want to go to eat, etc etc.
Test
A great general needs courage and cunningness to win his battles. While courage comes from inner strength then cunningness is a combination of knowledge. Know your enemy, know your terrain, know your army. This years knowledge test will test your knowledge about your enemy! To win the battle with minimum losses you need a cunning plan and to come up with such a plan you need to know what your opponent has on the table and what they can do. The test will focus on different armies. About the units, magic items, special powers they have. So study up on your opponents armies and your own!
Guardian
Just for the information of the people that registered for the tournament, here is the list of participants:
1) Lakissov (EE) - DE
2) Martin (EE) - HE
3) Eduard (EE) - WoC
4) Sven (EE) - BRT
5) Roman (LV) - DWR
6) Sven (EE) - EMP
7) Ivan (EE) - O&G
8) Michal (PL) - DE
9) Villu (EE) - BoC
10) Kamil (PL) - WoC
11) Sergey (LV) - DoC
12) Pawel (PL) - VC
13) Karol (PL) - DE
14) Luna (EE) - LIZ
15) Weran (LV) - WE
16) Indrek (EE) - EMP
17) Daniel (EE) - HE
18) Johann (EE) - WE
The organizer promised to update this list by wednesday evening (adding army for each player), after he has checked the correctness of all rosters.
Update: armies added
Update 2: player #14 changed for a spare player (the originally resitered player can't attend)
1) Lakissov (EE) - DE
2) Martin (EE) - HE
3) Eduard (EE) - WoC
4) Sven (EE) - BRT
5) Roman (LV) - DWR
6) Sven (EE) - EMP
7) Ivan (EE) - O&G
8) Michal (PL) - DE
9) Villu (EE) - BoC
10) Kamil (PL) - WoC
11) Sergey (LV) - DoC
12) Pawel (PL) - VC
13) Karol (PL) - DE
14) Luna (EE) - LIZ
15) Weran (LV) - WE
16) Indrek (EE) - EMP
17) Daniel (EE) - HE
18) Johann (EE) - WE
The organizer promised to update this list by wednesday evening (adding army for each player), after he has checked the correctness of all rosters.
Update: armies added
Update 2: player #14 changed for a spare player (the originally resitered player can't attend)
Ostatnio zmieniony 31 lip 2009, o 14:30 przez Lakissov, łącznie zmieniany 3 razy.
Estonia zdobyta 
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Frontowcy w nastepujacym skladzie zajęli:
Karlee - 1 miejsce
Zulus - 3
Inferno - 7
Akadera - 13
. Frontowcy w nastepujacym skladzie zajęli:
Karlee - 1 miejsce
Zulus - 3
Inferno - 7
Akadera - 13
wroca, to napisza . 500 km do zrobienia.
. 500 km do zrobienia.